Forum king vBulletin muzzles paid-up protesters

WOW…what do vb have to say about this article.

Forum king vBulletin muzzles paid-up protesters ? The Register

22 réponses sur “Forum king vBulletin muzzles paid-up protesters”

  1. as most of the information on that post is false, and comes from a journal with no reputation at all in the forum universe, i’m not sure it would have any impact …

    you’ll have a real effect when PCWorld.com is publishing something.

  2. first paragraph is already wrong, so how can someone figure out the real information:

    1- vB is not preventing people to download updates…

    2- it’s not 40 000 online communities, but around 100 000.

    3- the only blog he link to is vbtruth.com which is pathetic… no other source to say the « blogs » were flooded.

    4- vb did not rebuild the access to support forum… the support is for support, not whining. they focussed the usage of each forum. whinners still whine that they have no access…

    5- new price raise is not correct… they indicate 250$ for the forum, but the price is 195$, only 15$ higher than the price this summer.

    etc…

    this article is biased and use wrong information… vB Solutions could sue them for diffamation.

    oh, and personally, i prefer IB’s commercial attitude to the self-comtemplating attitude from Jelsoft in the past…

  3. you can not be banned from the members area, they did it once or twice, and they revoked the contract with these clients, based on the TOS, not the activity of a client on the forum.

    the forum is not related to the privilege to be a client… it’s a support system, nothing else. same for vb.org, which is a privilege, not a part of the license.

    btw, vB’s reputation was broken more than once, it’s not the first time we see big companies being hurt like this and work seamlessly after that.

    they have the budget to break all these rumours once it’s time to do so. check that when 4.0 comes out… you will see dozens of great articles about that new version and the support given… these articles will be posted in the reputed websites, not dark blogs…

  4. there was always a lot of people going from vB to IPB or IPB to vB in the past, nothing is new… the only thing is now that people have a platform to tell everybody…. and they do it right now because they were emails to look at the site and update… or they would not even care showing on vb.com to tell us.

  5. Nah, IPB has gotten a lot of new clients from vb in the last weeks. They got overrun by them and needed to hire more customer support staff to handle it. Their forums where peaking with vb convert pre sale questions. There’s still a lot of such threads being posted there though its not as much as before.

  6. That page worth more than the one you link to:

    NASDAQ Stock Market Charts – Free Stock Charts – Stock Interactive Charts

    as you see the graphics, the value of the shares raised high last month, and are just about a drop like a lot of other shares right now…

    the changes in the values regarding the licensing of vBulletin will be touching the chart in a month or two… right now they are just speculations, not even results… you can not explain the drop of the last 3 days just because of the license… remember that it’s 3 weeks ago where you had the announcement, and between that period and today, the charts indicate a raise in the values.

    and if you check one of the biggest charter right now, Apple™, they have a similar graphic:
    NASDAQ Stock Market Charts – Free Stock Charts – Stock Interactive Charts

  7. @nexia 25506 wrote:

    That page worth more than the one you link to:

    NASDAQ Stock Market Charts – Free Stock Charts – Stock Interactive Charts

    as you see the graphics, the value of the shares raised high last month, and are just about a drop like a lot of other shares right now…

    the changes in the values regarding the licensing of vBulletin will be touching the chart in a month or two… right now they are just speculations, not even results… you can not explain the drop of the last 3 days just because of the license… remember that it’s 3 weeks ago where you had the announcement, and between that period and today, the charts indicate a raise in the values.

    and if you check one of the biggest charter right now, Apple™, they have a similar graphic:
    NASDAQ Stock Market Charts – Free Stock Charts – Stock Interactive Charts

    thanks for the info another update vBulletin denies busting downloads in paid-up protester ban ? The Register

  8. yeah, i ‘ve read that article too, and my « long » comment is moderated right now… 😉

    personally, all these small impact articles will go nowhere. i still think i can have my place in the IB’s plans if they decide to change their mind, so i let the runner take the starting block this week, as i’m opening doors to supporters and sponsors for our project.

    IF IB decide to look at here, i will not post excuses, they just know what i think. 😉

  9. as i’m not sure if my comment will be posted, here it is:

    yeah, everybody knows me, nexialys… i’m banned from the service site of vBulletin.com… so?!

    i was banned after i posted some discussion i started regarding my interest to switch to another script, Joomla, for a site that needed a cms really badly. as VB was late to deliver, i had to make a choice and that choice was to post a « feedback » regarding vBulletin… and my thread was constructive, compared to a lot of other threads built just to bullshit the company.

    what made me ban?… not the comments i posted, not my opinion on the company, but my comments regarding the original staff of vBulletin, the Jelsoft staff, that i consider lazy and self-contemplating. they built a great tool, 9 years ago, but in the last 3 years the releases were just bug fixes and additions of completely pointless elements. people are requesting more, and they do the opposite. but hey, that’s my point of view, and Wayne think i’m the wrong thing that happen to vB.

    compared to others, in my mind, InternetBrands is something postitive for vBulletin… the only ones to see it as a negative point are simple the ones not interested in a commercial development, the ones with no budget and the ones that know nothing about the internet. no my problem.

    why Jelsoft staff left the boat?… because they were said that if they are not happy they just have to leave… they knew what would arise from the company sale. They sold a company to a business manager, what could happen.. they were not forced to sell Jelsoft to IB, they were suggested, a plan was suggested and they accepted it, they were paid millions for it… so if they say they were not happy with the new situation, it’s because they wanted more money, that’s all…

    Why the vB 4.0 pre-release or pre-display is bullshit from the start?… because they hired a designer or two that was not a professional of vBulletin, who knew nothing about vbulletin and nothing about Kier’s work. everybody knows it, they did a wrong move, but they had to do it… they just had less time than expected to do so. IB is now changing mind and switch back to a more vB design, with more of IPB’s style, like Kier leeched from IPB at first — and yes, Kier think i’m a complete moron, i don’t care, he is the one who left the boat, not me.

    I’m not working for IB, i even was pushed aside when i suggested the lead managers to take a look at my work to be integrated to the newer version, 9 months ago… that’s also a loss, because with my tools, they would have a really enhanced vBulletin, with elements that are not even known in the other platforms like IPB, phpBB, myBB… a complete integrated calendar with events discussions and rsvp, social group rebuild, independant private messaging with email integration, and so on… things that would tease a lot of clients to purchase vBulletin for the right reasons.. enhancements.

    what a great enhancement is announced, a cms… yeah, i have the alpha versions from the start… still in beta 1, more than 100 queries for the main page… yeah, you read it right. why?… because that tool is just an amateurish portal with independant structure that they merged into vBulletin.. they did not even think to use one of the existing solution and rework it… would’ve been too costly for them to purchase a tool already released, like vbAdvcanced or vbPortal… even some of their official staff have portals in hands, they hired coders and developers that already have solutions in hands, like mini-cms solutions with1 or 2 queries, fully coded in the vB protocol… but no, they decided that their own technique to build things would be enough…

    IB said they would hire interesting people depending on their portfoltio… so why they refuse to hire the most competent coders in the vBulletin market?… they want to renew what here?… these good coders were leeched a lot in the last years, if you ask me. Jelsoft always told they never looked at vB.org for codes and ideas… but each new version since i’m in the project neighbour have had a lot of these ideas taken from vb.org, and we can all show you how and what… a lot of coders there left because they felt frustrated of the situation… a lot of great coders were releasing great tools but were hit in the back by some pointless rules, because that community is not permitting to make a penny of our work. no official support…

    imagine, Jelsoft built a solid engine to permit addons and plugins to be integrated to the core of the engine… « Products and Plugins » they say… but the contract state that if you add even just a single addon to your vBulletin, Jelsoft is not supporting it anymore… you have to uninstall them to receive support from the company. How Pathetic. so they built that 4900 lines engine only to support their own addons, at the moment there was only the blog and the project tools… nobody purchased them because both are just crap.

    same for the best example of lazyness… the Calendar… everybody today needs a calendar to show their events, discuss them, have rsvp so people can appoint to them, etc… we need colors and style to show what is the big event of the moment, etc… some calendars do it all, like the Google one, which integrate iCal, making the calendar very useful to the desktop. vBulletin is one of the few forum software to have a good calendar… but it’s been 6 years since they added anything to it… 6 years.

    another one, the FAQ… which are not the FAQ anybody can use anyway, it’s more like a « HowTo use vBulletin » because that’s all we can do with that, it’s already filled with so much pointless informations… nobody ever use it, because people stop reading it after 3 lines. we need a real Knowledge Base, a Wiki, real useful tools for the communities, not some HowTo to drive the forum, which for my own idea is supposed to be hidden in the footer of the site where people search for last hope help… not one of the first elements of the navbar.

    anyway, i may be banned forever with that post, i don’t care, i posted that already on my site, http://vbenhancer.com … where i also state that we’re building a new project right now that is more than just a forum… i’m not copying vBulletin, i will not compete it, i want more, i want a tool for webmasters, for multi-sites managers, guys like me, who fail to find a real solutions right now. I’m selfish, i want to answer my clients needs… that may be a good thing at the end, because i listen to people.

  10. @nexia 25510 wrote:

    as i’m not sure if my comment will be posted, here it is:

    yeah, everybody knows me, nexialys… i’m banned from the service site of vBulletin.com… so?!

    i was banned after i posted some discussion i started regarding my interest to switch to another script, Joomla, for a site that needed a cms really badly. as VB was late to deliver, i had to make a choice and that choice was to post a « feedback » regarding vBulletin… and my thread was constructive, compared to a lot of other threads built just to bullshit the company.

    what made me ban?… not the comments i posted, not my opinion on the company, but my comments regarding the original staff of vBulletin, the Jelsoft staff, that i consider lazy and self-contemplating. they built a great tool, 9 years ago, but in the last 3 years the releases were just bug fixes and additions of completely pointless elements. people are requesting more, and they do the opposite. but hey, that’s my point of view, and Wayne think i’m the wrong thing that happen to vB.

    compared to others, in my mind, InternetBrands is something postitive for vBulletin… the only ones to see it as a negative point are simple the ones not interested in a commercial development, the ones with no budget and the ones that know nothing about the internet. no my problem.

    why Jelsoft staff left the boat?… because they were said that if they are not happy they just have to leave… they knew what would arise from the company sale. They sold a company to a business manager, what could happen.. they were not forced to sell Jelsoft to IB, they were suggested, a plan was suggested and they accepted it, they were paid millions for it… so if they say they were not happy with the new situation, it’s because they wanted more money, that’s all…

    Why the vB 4.0 pre-release or pre-display is bullshit from the start?… because they hired a designer or two that was not a professional of vBulletin, who knew nothing about vbulletin and nothing about Kier’s work. everybody knows it, they did a wrong move, but they had to do it… they just had less time than expected to do so. IB is now changing mind and switch back to a more vB design, with more of IPB’s style, like Kier leeched from IPB at first — and yes, Kier think i’m a complete moron, i don’t care, he is the one who left the boat, not me.

    I’m not working for IB, i even was pushed aside when i suggested the lead managers to take a look at my work to be integrated to the newer version, 9 months ago… that’s also a loss, because with my tools, they would have a really enhanced vBulletin, with elements that are not even known in the other platforms like IPB, phpBB, myBB… a complete integrated calendar with events discussions and rsvp, social group rebuild, independant private messaging with email integration, and so on… things that would tease a lot of clients to purchase vBulletin for the right reasons.. enhancements.

    what a great enhancement is announced, a cms… yeah, i have the alpha versions from the start… still in beta 1, more than 100 queries for the main page… yeah, you read it right. why?… because that tool is just an amateurish portal with independant structure that they merged into vBulletin.. they did not even think to use one of the existing solution and rework it… would’ve been too costly for them to purchase a tool already released, like vbAdvcanced or vbPortal… even some of their official staff have portals in hands, they hired coders and developers that already have solutions in hands, like mini-cms solutions with1 or 2 queries, fully coded in the vB protocol… but no, they decided that their own technique to build things would be enough…

    IB said they would hire interesting people depending on their portfoltio… so why they refuse to hire the most competent coders in the vBulletin market?… they want to renew what here?… these good coders were leeched a lot in the last years, if you ask me. Jelsoft always told they never looked at vB.org for codes and ideas… but each new version since i’m in the project neighbour have had a lot of these ideas taken from vb.org, and we can all show you how and what… a lot of coders there left because they felt frustrated of the situation… a lot of great coders were releasing great tools but were hit in the back by some pointless rules, because that community is not permitting to make a penny of our work. no official support…

    imagine, Jelsoft built a solid engine to permit addons and plugins to be integrated to the core of the engine… « Products and Plugins » they say… but the contract state that if you add even just a single addon to your vBulletin, Jelsoft is not supporting it anymore… you have to uninstall them to receive support from the company. How Pathetic. so they built that 4900 lines engine only to support their own addons, at the moment there was only the blog and the project tools… nobody purchased them because both are just crap.

    same for the best example of lazyness… the Calendar… everybody today needs a calendar to show their events, discuss them, have rsvp so people can appoint to them, etc… we need colors and style to show what is the big event of the moment, etc… some calendars do it all, like the Google one, which integrate iCal, making the calendar very useful to the desktop. vBulletin is one of the few forum software to have a good calendar… but it’s been 6 years since they added anything to it… 6 years.

    another one, the FAQ… which are not the FAQ anybody can use anyway, it’s more like a « HowTo use vBulletin » because that’s all we can do with that, it’s already filled with so much pointless informations… nobody ever use it, because people stop reading it after 3 lines. we need a real Knowledge Base, a Wiki, real useful tools for the communities, not some HowTo to drive the forum, which for my own idea is supposed to be hidden in the footer of the site where people search for last hope help… not one of the first elements of the navbar.

    anyway, i may be banned forever with that post, i don’t care, i posted that already on my site, vbEnhancer.com … where i also state that we’re building a new project right now that is more than just a forum… i’m not copying vBulletin, i will not compete it, i want more, i want a tool for webmasters, for multi-sites managers, guys like me, who fail to find a real solutions right now. I’m selfish, i want to answer my clients needs… that may be a good thing at the end, because i listen to people.

    Ha, it’s a poet ! o_O

    Unfortunately, there is much truth in it.

    You know what my dream ?

    What the IB team come here to discuss,
    communicate !, but it will not be too proud or prohibited by management.

    Nexialys, you lose your time with this, I’m on topics you’re reading it, but it does not take into account.

    Finally, don’t worry, the earth will continue to rotate ^,^

  11. @Allan 25513 wrote:

    Ha, it’s a poet ! o_O

    Unfortunately, there is much truth in it.

    You know what my dream ?

    What the IB team come here to discuss,
    communicate !, but it will not be too proud or prohibited by management.

    Nexialys, you lose your time with this, I’m on topics you’re reading it, but it does not take into account.

    Finally, don’t worry, the earth will continue to rotate ^,^

    the earth will continue to rotate

    and that is so true…it’s not worth the effort to even complain about it.Because they will sweep it under the rug anyways.

    all i know is vb is not the only community source out there and people should consider that.

    @ nexia i don’t know if you messed around with these guys NovaBoard Support Forums | Powered By NovaBoard but they have a solid forum and they are looking for some additional help (coders). I was messing around with it on my local server, it’s ok but needs more work security wise…if i was to start another project I’ll consider them first before anybody else.

  12. thanks guys, but i’m not loosing my time…

    actually i’m practicing my Public Relation communications technique… i need to practice, find the right words, having the right points with the right facts.

    i’m not debating to have my point raised, i just show the real facts… if i write my stuff properly, my practice is good… 🙂

    and yeah Novaboard is something i knew of… but there is so much branches of popular scripts, a lot of these projects worth a view, but a lot are also just random coders with no real commercial interests. my goal is to have a commercial tool where the webmasters and admins will bring profits from…

  13. @nexia 25516 wrote:

    thanks guys, but i’m not loosing my time…

    actually i’m practicing my Public Relation communications technique… i need to practice, find the right words, having the right points with the right facts.

    i’m not debating to have my point raised, i just show the real facts… if i write my stuff properly, my practice is good… 🙂

    and yeah Novaboard is something i knew of… but there is so much branches of popular scripts, a lot of these projects worth a view, but a lot are also just random coders with no real commercial interests. my goal is to have a commercial tool where the webmasters and admins will bring profits from…

    but isn’t that how it start? when you start as freeware find bugs and fixed them add features and such. Get reviews and then market it? :grin_Tongue:

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